BNP wins seat in Broxtowe

ASHFIELD BOROUGH
Hucknall West Susan Carolyn Gamble BNP 330 9%
Jacksdale Darran Paul Burke BNP 192 24%
Kirkby Central Trevor Bradford BNP 534 33%
Kirkby East Paul Jeffrey Gamble BNP 383 28%
Kirkby West Michael John Clarke BNP 372 27%
Underwood Jane Helen Clarke BNP 179 16%

BROXTOWE BOROUGH
Awsworth David Brown BNP 112 16%
Beeston Rylands Phillip Woodward BNP 202 12%
Brinsley Sadie Graham BNP 439 44%
Cossall And Kimberley
Janina Anna Brown BNP 232 7%
Eastwood North Mary Isabel Clifton BNP 189 21%
Eastwood South Jonathan Abbott BNP 400 19%
Eastwood South Deborah Anne Jones BNP 375 18%
Greasley Wayne Shelbourn BNP 396 19%
Toton Ben David Newing BNP 205 8%
Trowell Kevin Lambert BNP 88 8%

There's nowt worse than a turncoat....nazi politics seems to have been a heavy cross to bear on Sadie and boy oh boy has she AGED since her AFA /Hunt sab days......the political opposition in her ward must be non existent for the bnp to have got 43%.....total scumbag and haggard old bag to boot

Cos if not her 'dark roots' are showing and you know what that means. I can see why she likes to fake her hair and hide her face behind rifles though in her normal publicity shots. Her BNP mobile-phone number is easy to google too ya know. She was a list candidate in the Scottish elections. She never got in. None of the BNP got in up here. None of them even leafletted. In the polling station I was outside of, which has BNP in it's ward, only one openly BNP voter even voted. He was skiving off in a terrible burgundy uniform from 'Thorntons Chocolates'. They do like their uniforms.

Not one bit ashamed. It's not good enough.

Whilst I am shocked and appalled that the BNP have gained a seat, agreeing with the motivating sentiments behind the previous comments - cant you point to fascist politics as being abhorent rather than making cheap gendered criticisms of Sadie having 'aged' and 'showing her roots'?

Fuck off with your micro-fascistic chauvanism.
You can say what you really mean without disguising it in superficial reference to looks - its not really her appearance that we have a problem with, so lets not pick on it.
She is a neoNazi - what more is there to say?

of what anyone says and who calls who what the people have spoken and voted them in.

"Fuck off with your micro-fascistic chauvanism."

And the same to you. How is saying her 'dark roots' are showing a gender criticism ? Don't men dye their hair too ? I would have said exactly the same thing if she was a male nazi pretending to be blonde. My point was she is hardly the pure aryan stock she would like to be. None of us are thankfully. I think all the BNP supporters who support deporting foreigners should be made to have DNA testing, and unless they are 100% British they should deport themselves at once or stop being so hypocritical. Cos there isn't a pure-bred among us, we are a mongrel race, always have been, always will be. Oh, and as for being ugly, well, that hardly differentiates herself from Nick Griffin or any of the male nazis - still, I can't say that about her since she's a she ? Still, if you see that as a micro-fascistic reponse, you'll wet yourself over this:

Have you ever dreamed of
Killing all the stupid people?
Not just the unintelligent people
But the sort that don't know anything about anything
But seem to have opinions about everything
They're only too ready to offer their advice about
How to run your life
And yet look at how they run their own lives
For the most part they've accomplished nothing
They've contributed nothing
Their lives are miserable
But they talk, talk, talk…
At the very least their tongues should be cut out
At the very least

for god sake person get a life....it was ageism not chauvinism if you want to split hairs , sorry to the people with hair if it upsets you...and you wonder why the bnp call us p.c obsessed do gooders....GRRR

I don't believe it. Where is your evidence?

The BNP are steadily gaining support - Brinsley (where Sadie Graham was elected) has no ethnic minorities yet she won easily, so anti BNP campaigns are not working. Intead of cheap insults, violence and lies about "Nazis" etc you should take the BNP on in debate - let's face it, if the BNP are as stupid as you make out, it should be easy to defeat their arguments in front of the British public once and for all. "No platform" policies and ignorant, no brainer contributions from "Hope Not Hate" and celebrity junkies are not the answer.

Perhaps part of the reason they got 43% is because the opposition backfired, by giving them publicity. Also Labour campaigning in an SUV. University of Nottingham does NOT have a "no platform" policy, and yet there is very little debate or awareness amongst potential voters. In fact there is an increased concern about Islam and the far Left. The wrong people give too much attention to the BNP. Why the tinyurl link to the Post article?

I think NSPM are looking into ways of getting awareness raised on campus in an intelligent way that highlights the real dangers of fascism in the UK without being a complete no brainer or impinging on free speech next year. While we can support the protest on the 16th theres very little otherwise that students can do right now in the current academic climate of exams.

Ben:
"In fact there is an increased concern about Islam and the far Left."

Increased concern about the far left? What do you mean by this? I've not met anyone expressing such concerns in recent times.

"I think NSPM are looking into ways of getting awareness raised on campus in an intelligent way that highlights the real dangers of fascism in the UK without being a complete no brainer or impinging on free speech next year."

Good that someone's picking up on the issue at the university. What do you mean by not "impinging on free speech" though? Surely you're not going to invite the BNP along?

obviously, i cannot speak for the entirety of the group but obviously there is a widespread feeling that 'no platform' policies are not the way to go and give the BNP more credibility, not less. Moreover 'no platform' policies target fascists, not all racists (otherwise im sure a fair few tories and labour wouldnt be able to speak), which is something the BNP play upon when confronted with such bans. Obviously were not going to invite the BNP, but gagging them only serves their cause, and lowers those who would do so to their level. Were still looking into ways, such as getting analysts of the far-right, and will continue to be over the summer, in the meantime we are trying to contact many of the antifascist movements and offer them help if they wish to use the campus for events provided we think they are a suitable group and we are comfortable working with them. Graham was a student at the university, and beeston is obviously a heavily student populated area, so I personally feel that this is an issue as much for students as for the local population. As always, local people will most likely be able to attend

"there is a widespread feeling that 'no platform' policies are not the way to go and give the BNP more credibility, not less."

So you would see no problem with them turning up at the uni and inciting racist attacks? Or doing the same thing in a student paper (this happened last year)?

It's fine for sheltered students to say that 'no platform' policies are not the way to go, but what about the poor bastards that would have to put up with the consequences of far more widespread airing of fascist views? Let's show solidarity with them and tell the fash to fuck off. The only people that I can think of who might believe that being so vile to be denied a platform boosts your credibility are not the kind of people I want to be pandering to.

"Moreover 'no platform' policies target fascists, not all racists (otherwise im sure a fair few tories and labour wouldnt be able to speak)"

Yes, they're obviously vile too. I think we should kick them out of universities as well!

"Obviously were not going to invite the BNP, but gagging them only serves their cause, and lowers those who would do so to their level."

So what would you do if, on arriving at your meeting, the room is packed with card-carrying members of the BNP ready to air their views? Politely let them have their say? Do you not think there might be a little tension in the room? Don't be surprised if you don't have any support from black, asian, feminist or gay students for such meetings.

It does not lower anyone to the BNP's level to have a No Platform policy for fascists. It is a recognition that we detest those who violently support the creation of a totalitarian state and hate diversity and openness, and recognise that such views threaten all manner of freedoms that we wish to preserve. It is ironic that this is seen as attacking free speech when in fact it is acting to defend it. The speech of the BNP is not free - it is part of a discourse of enslavement and all those who wish to retain their own freedoms would do well to recognise this threat.

"Graham was a student at the university, and beeston is obviously a heavily student populated area, so I personally feel that this is an issue as much for students as for the local population."

You're quite right and I applaud your efforts. I think you need to realise, though, that there is a historical context here (BNP article in student paper:  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/nottinghamshire/2005/11/328240.html) and the differing responses of different groups of students last time could be useful for any future campaigns. There was also an edition of NSPM's newsletter produced with arguments for and against 'No Platform' which I reccommend that you read. It used to be available on their site.

obviously i think it would be good to have a 'no platform' debate in our university, and as soon as possible.

Obviously the BNP are totalitarians. Theres no question of that, but 'no platform' does not, in my opinion, serve any purpose other than to give the BNP's claims that they are being downtrodden and persecuted for what they make out to be 'moderate views' more credibility.

"So what would you do if, on arriving at your meeting, the room is packed with card-carrying members of the BNP ready to air their views? Politely let them have their say? Do you not think there might be a little tension in the room? Don't be surprised if you don't have any support from black, asian, feminist or gay students for such meetings."

Fortunately, we at nottingham university have a strong network of ethical societies. I think it would be likely that we could mobilise many feminists, asian and black students to attend. I would never expect it of gay students to attend as our Lesbian Gay and Bi society has taken a fairly neutral line on politics. In the past i have met gay people who would welcome a third reich, so i dont from a personal think sexual persuasion has, or possibly ever had, and impact on political persuasion no matter whether it should or shouldnt. Obviously any gay students willing to attend would be more than welcome. I feel we could probably outnumber most fascists who would seek to turn up, and wed more than likely have the intellect to show them up for the racists that they are.

As for the article i was aware of it. It does not concern me as much as you think it might. Unless that article was to come out during exam time it would be unlikely that many students would read it. Obviously if the same incident were to happen again i think there would be fair warning and enough time to get the other side of the debate out there.

But yes, a 'no platform' debate is strongly needed before we even consider taking such a notion to SU council, which, by the way, is a whole other ball game of unending beaurocracy and petty politics sometimes.

Where the BNP gain power they exercise a policy of giving no platform. It is de facto party policy. It is inherent in the "identity politics" they claim to be putting forwards: no platform for anything other than the BNP official line. How many people have been expelled from the party for disagreeing with Nick Griffin? That is No Platform. How many people would be "repatriated"? That is No Platform. How many BNP Public Meetings discuss the Racist and Fascist Roots of the Party? That is No Platform. No Platform was a policy invented and quietly implemented by the BNP to deny everybody but the BNP a platform. You can see it in the way they work. When the BNP organise a meeting it is not a denial of their rights to give them No Platform: it is an acknowledgement that that is what they want; it is the respect of their democratic right to have no platform from which to speak. No Platform is one of the most troublesome policies for the BNP because it is precisely the policy that they advocate - because it gives them something to rattle on about. But it is also their own policy destroying them.

What will Antifascists be telling us when the Nazi supporters in the BNP do a reverse Night of the Long Knives and exterminate their Hitlerites?

I think Hitler had his murders done after he was elected.. It might be something that has to be done in the BNP for them to become electable on a scale to form a Government. So the BNP Nazis have a small problem: They would be arrested for murder if they do in Griffin.

To be a BNP Fascist is a bit pointless when New Labour are so successfully building Global Fascism, but the BNP fascist smokescreen is the Labour Fascists' biggest asset, enabling N.L. to build a Hierarchical Fascism that would astound Mussolini, without the electorate noticing.

Fuck off with your micro-fascistic chauvanism."

And the same to you. How is saying her 'dark roots' are showing a gender criticism ? Don't men dye their hair too ? I would have said exactly the same thing if she was a male nazi pretending to be blonde. My point was she is hardly the pure aryan stock she would like to be. None of us are thankfully. I think all the BNP supporters who support deporting foreigners should be made to have DNA testing, and unless they are 100% British they should deport themselves at once or stop being so hypocritical. Cos there isn't a pure-bred among us, we are a mongrel race, always have been, always will be. Oh, and as for being ugly, well, that hardly differentiates herself from Nick Griffin or any of the male nazis - still, I can't say that about her since she's a she ? Still, if you see that as a micro-fascistic reponse, you'll wet yourself over this:

Have you ever dreamed of
Killing all the stupid people?
Not just the unintelligent people
But the sort that don't know anything about anything
But seem to have opinions about everything
They're only too ready to offer their advice about
How to run your life
And yet look at how they run their own lives
For the most part they've accomplished nothing
They've contributed nothing
Their lives are miserable
But they talk, talk, talk…
At the very least their tongues should be cut out
At the very least
Danny

Whats with the NON/Boyd rice quote?! one of my favourite tracks ever!

whatever her previous affiliations(people ideals do change despite whats some dogma lovers may think)the issue is as ever why working class brits think they will ne better off under the bnp.Alienation,worries about `immigrants` etc are all causing some ordinary people to think that the Euro nationalism of the BNP has something to offer... winning hearts and minds is what counts by showing that the BNP like other eurocrats are simply out to get themselves ahead and fuck over anyone else inthe process.

Equally labelling all in the BNP `neo nazis` and using anti nazi politics as a starting point for our criticism can be a big mistake when coming across the many BNP members who simply are not neonazis!

BNP will be taking Mansfield seats next because people are pissed with Alan Meale and Tony Eggington in these parts... Come over here Sadie this town is ready to listen and ready to boot these bastards out!

vote out the dunces& vote in the pscyho dunces!
As for being a forester, it was battles like Trafalgar much vaunted by the BNP between our inbred royals in Europe that led to destruction of 90%of our forest &especially sheep farming. What does Griffin do for a living again?
Check your history book & let us plant an oak on top of after you pop back into your grave,zombie
ps seems Sadie has been chucked out by your meglo-maniac fuhrer to protect Collet, maybe the rumours about his past sex life are true?