Proponents of fees have argued that their introduction is actually a socialist and progressive measure. Universities need to get funding from somewhere, and raising taxes to fund higher education would not be progressive since the whole of society would be made to pay for what only graduated benefit from. It was argued in a leader in the Guardian on Monday the 19th January (21st century coalmines) that student support has always been a regressive policy, which redistributes money towards the middle class. According to this 80% of the children of professionals go to university. The proportion of the children of unskilled or semi-skilled workers who go to university is much lower.
It is true that the middle class benefits more from university education. However, who would benefit from a situation in which people from working class backgrounds will be put off going to the more prestigious universities because these charge the highest fees? Mandy Telford, President of the NUS writes in an article in the Guardian on Wednesday Jan 22nd (Students foot the bill) “We cannot understand why the government refuses to admit the role debt plays in deterring poorer students from applying to university…These new proposals will lead to students graduating from university with debts of up to £30,000…”
However, some commentators have argued that there is no alternative but to charge people for their education. The only way to widen access to the point where 50% of school leavers go to university is to charge fees. This is because providing the extra places would be extremely expensive, so the state cannot afford to fund it. Users of this argument accuse opponents of fees of elitism. You cannot raise taxes to fund students because people who don’t go to university will not benefit. Therefore you need to charge fees if you want to widen access to the working classes. David Chaytop writes in the Guardian on Friday, January 23rd , (Socialism actually) that “the new policy is a necessary, logical and practical act of redistribution of educational opportunity that should be welcomed.” Any one who opposes top up fees supports a system in which much fewer people could go to university.
I would argue that fees are not beneficial to the poorest in society for two reasons. Firstly a two-tier system will not benefit working class students. Francis Beckett argues that introducing fees mean “…accepting that prestige universities will always be upper middle class enclaves…we are creating a new class divide for the 21st century: not whether you go to university, but how prestigious a university you go to.” (This Trojan horse of charging, Wednesday January 21st) Secondly it has to be viewed in the context of neo-liberalism in Britain. The idea that education is beneficial to the society, and that the members of this society should pay for it is being discarded. The quality of education that one has access to is now being made dependent on the individual’s resources. The richer you are the better quality of education you can afford.
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Learn Now, Pay Later
25.02.2004 22:23
I know that I and a lot of others would be very glad of a job that pays £15,000 a year - to be able to go to university - and know that i don't actually have to pay for it unless i do actually earn over that amount - sounds like a gret deal to me - at the moment i cant afford to pay upfront - even if it is only a grand or so.
In the future i will be able to go, experince something which im sure would be fantastic - learn a great deal (including a great deal no doubt about left wing bantar) and return to my noraml low pay job - with no debt to pay unless I suddenly get a better paying job (perhaps because of my newly aquired degree), in which case ill be happy to pay the loan back in small steps.
I understand the threat of a future debt may put some people off - but for people with nothing to lose - and everythig to gain - surely it's a great deal?
And by the way - Since im not going to university - Since i don't also earn over £15,000 a year - i'd rather not have anyone pinch even more of my paycheck before i see it, just to send more folk i'll never meet off to university
karic.
Karic
Learn Now, Can't Pay Later
26.02.2004 16:00
You don't get better paid for going to university, you get paid better for having ritch parents!
ed
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IMF dogma
26.02.2004 19:35
It is IMF/World Bank dogma that people are being taxed twice to pay for services. This ensures that people are locked into a system which holds them as slaves from birth to death.
University fees are yet another way in which the UK Government is implementing the commands coming from their masters in the IMF. The IMF calls them "user fees"...
This is confirmed in this IMF report, published on the UK Government Treasury website:
http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/documents/uk_economy/imf_reports/ukecon_imf_articleIV2003.cfm
The report says:
"A wider application of user fees to fund public services (including university fees, road charges, and levies on the use of health services) would help both in achieving fiscal savings and in reducing inefficiencies. If adjustments are to be made on the revenue side, we would argue for broadening tax bases rather than for raising tax rates."
no-war
paying for others?
27.02.2004 09:42
nickleberry
The stupidity of the top up fees
14.03.2004 11:57
I feel sorry for the poor suckers doing art degrees and the like, because this will most likely hit them hardest.
People complain about the UK having to import workers for the NHS, but how are they expected to get british workers when the university system will cost too much and the NHS pay (is often) poor. Remember how long degrees like vetinary and medicine are...
A comment about the other persons argument about the many paying for the few, to be fair, it does sound stupid... but should the many pay for 1 persons operation abroad? Should the many pay for the school system, only a minority of people use them.
Miles M.